Am I missing something?
OK, so I'm reading about how Timmy Taliban kidnapped a gang of Koreans in this article, and now Hamid Karzai is pulling the hospitality card which seems pretty negotiable. If you're waondering where this whole hospitality thing comes in, it has to do with pashtun wali:
There are numerous intricate tenets of Pashtunwali that influence Pashtun social behavior. One of the better known tenets is Melmastia or the notion of hospitality and asylum to all guests seeking help. Perceived wrongs or injustice call for Badal or swift revenge.
See, it's a pashtun thaang.
Melmastia was what kept a SEAL from being handed over to the Taliban when an Afghan was nursing him back to health, and it was also used as a justification to keep from handing Osama bin Laden over as Mullah Omar is quoted here, Handing over bin Laden is like giving up a pillar of Islam"—i.e., impossible—is that they are Pashtun, and the Pashtunwali Code places a huge amount of emphasis not only on giving hospitality, but refuge.
Well isn't that conveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient.
"The perpetration of this heinous act on our soil is in total contempt of our Islamic and Afghan values," Karzai told a South Korean envoy during a meeting at the presidential palace, according to a statement from his office.
Echoing Karzai's words, Afghanistan's national council of clerics said the Prophet Muhammad, the founder of Islam, taught that no one has the right to kill women.
"Even in the history of Afghanistan, in all its combat and fighting, Afghans respected women, children and elders," the council said. "The killing of women is against Islam, against the Afghan culture, and they shouldn't do it."
Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousef Ahmadi, replied, "lolz!"
Are these guys for serious? I've never known any religion to be particularly "reality based", but there are observable phenomena available to us, you know things like "Afghan Muslims killing women and children". The Taliban are dirtbags, yes, but most of them are also Afghans and all of them are Muslims. Why do these guys even bother saying stuff like this? That would be like me saying, "Clearly Americans love Japanese food, because in general Americans are thin and in shape." Well, not really, but my point is that it's completely retarded and easily seen to be ridiculous.
Here's another gem:
Pope Benedict XVI also called for the hostages' release, saying the perpetrators should "desist from the evil they have carried out and give back their victims unharmed."
Oh, I have an idea. A bus load of Christians was kidnapped in Whackjobbi Muslimistan. Someone get the Pope on the phone so he can call the Taliban evil, because the Taliban clearly gives a shit about the Pope and all his authority. Why not have the Dalai Lama chime in? The Pope is probably on top of the "People the Taliban would like to gut on the innerwebs" list, and at the bottom of the "People who ought to be lecturing people from other religions about fucked up stuff done in the name of religion" list.
I'm predicting this to go very very badly. I'm also predicting that Korea will somehow blame this on America, because America forced a busload of Korean Christians to drive around Afghanistan even after Koreans were permitted from getting visas to go there. Yeah, it's our fault. We created the Taliban after all, right?
Just thought I'd throw that out there, since today's theme seems to be "saying retarded shit".
Updates later, depending on how this goes…
There are numerous intricate tenets of Pashtunwali that influence Pashtun social behavior. One of the better known tenets is Melmastia or the notion of hospitality and asylum to all guests seeking help. Perceived wrongs or injustice call for Badal or swift revenge.
See, it's a pashtun thaang.
Melmastia was what kept a SEAL from being handed over to the Taliban when an Afghan was nursing him back to health, and it was also used as a justification to keep from handing Osama bin Laden over as Mullah Omar is quoted here, Handing over bin Laden is like giving up a pillar of Islam"—i.e., impossible—is that they are Pashtun, and the Pashtunwali Code places a huge amount of emphasis not only on giving hospitality, but refuge.
Well isn't that conveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenient.
"The perpetration of this heinous act on our soil is in total contempt of our Islamic and Afghan values," Karzai told a South Korean envoy during a meeting at the presidential palace, according to a statement from his office.
Echoing Karzai's words, Afghanistan's national council of clerics said the Prophet Muhammad, the founder of Islam, taught that no one has the right to kill women.
"Even in the history of Afghanistan, in all its combat and fighting, Afghans respected women, children and elders," the council said. "The killing of women is against Islam, against the Afghan culture, and they shouldn't do it."
Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousef Ahmadi, replied, "lolz!"
Are these guys for serious? I've never known any religion to be particularly "reality based", but there are observable phenomena available to us, you know things like "Afghan Muslims killing women and children". The Taliban are dirtbags, yes, but most of them are also Afghans and all of them are Muslims. Why do these guys even bother saying stuff like this? That would be like me saying, "Clearly Americans love Japanese food, because in general Americans are thin and in shape." Well, not really, but my point is that it's completely retarded and easily seen to be ridiculous.
Here's another gem:
Pope Benedict XVI also called for the hostages' release, saying the perpetrators should "desist from the evil they have carried out and give back their victims unharmed."
Oh, I have an idea. A bus load of Christians was kidnapped in Whackjobbi Muslimistan. Someone get the Pope on the phone so he can call the Taliban evil, because the Taliban clearly gives a shit about the Pope and all his authority. Why not have the Dalai Lama chime in? The Pope is probably on top of the "People the Taliban would like to gut on the innerwebs" list, and at the bottom of the "People who ought to be lecturing people from other religions about fucked up stuff done in the name of religion" list.
I'm predicting this to go very very badly. I'm also predicting that Korea will somehow blame this on America, because America forced a busload of Korean Christians to drive around Afghanistan even after Koreans were permitted from getting visas to go there. Yeah, it's our fault. We created the Taliban after all, right?
Just thought I'd throw that out there, since today's theme seems to be "saying retarded shit".
Updates later, depending on how this goes…
Labels: muslims kick ass, timmy taliban, whackjobistan
So spake Paul at 2:52 PM
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In his first comments since 23 Koreans were abducted on July 19, Karzai criticized the Taliban's kidnapping of "foreign guests," especially women, as contrary to the tenets of Islam.
"The perpetration of this heinous act on our soil is in total contempt of our Islamic and Afghan values," Karzai told a South Korean envoy during a meeting at the presidential palace, according to a statement from his office.
See, now if people followed those pillars of Islam, instead of the ones that REQUIRE you to kill women and children and Americans, then the world would be a happier place.
religion of peace (and hospitality apparently), my freng. the only place they exercise that is in dubai hotels. man, the customer service there was incredible (no shit).
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Interesting state of mind senior. Usually you avoid the "P" word as it tends to lead to religio-baiting... and I know how much you looove to tempt the apologists.
I am a happily coccooned American, so I don't know everything about this story but what were they doing on that road anyway? Hmm... only one road links the bottom third of that country to its northern parts. Nobody would ever think to ambush anyone there. I don't wish ill will on very many people, but a famous Forrest Gump quote is ringing in my ears here.
Bakhshish.
-Joe
wutgs the p-word? poshtunwali?
i think the time for bakshish has come and gone -- im sure the korean government has tried that already. :)
It never ceases to amaze me that people will knowingly travel to dangerous areas and then wonder why bad things happen to them. (Unless maybe there's really good surfing to be had and Robert Duvall is available to lead the assault, because everybody knows Timmy Taliban don't surf.)
Sorry, but I too can't see how this can possibly end well.
I think I'll pray for ya'all..... or maybe I'll look for some deep meaning in my burps and farts. the good old "only the dead have seen the end of war" quote keeps it simple for me.
I think some of this has to do with, I don't know, lets go with affiliation maybe.
For example the hebrews had/have they're 10 rules, but they really only applied to hebrews. That is to say when a hebrew is told, "thou shalt not kill", that refers only to other hebrews (in a nutshell it's all ultimately geared toward a homogeneous society). Now that doesn't mean they could go around killing non-jews (they did), but that's a whole other story. The only point is to say that, the rules are for the hebrews, not humanity. All the rest of humanity are sinfull heathens, like myself.
What I'd suggest is when they say that they don't kill women, they mean they don't kill Muslim women, (maybe, I don't know). Now that doesn't necessaraly mean by blood, but by nature. So ultimately they can cop out on the fact that there was something wrong with her to justify her murder. They're right within they're perspective, justified by it.
Islam and Judaism, at lest I think anyway, are national religions which again say nothing of anyone outside themselves.... At least in terms and conditions
I'm not really sure I follow you.. Islamists seem very interested in what non-muslims are doing and demand that other people respect and follow their laws while feel no obligation to follow laws of whatever country they're in..?
interest is different then say, care. They're interested in what the west does only insofar as the west is not islamic and would just assume see them all be murdered. They demand people follow they're rules and if they don't, they're as good as dead to them. You are nothing if your not Muslim. It's just like gangs, if your have on blue and your in red territory, you either put on some red, or your dead.
Don't look at Islam or Judaism like it's a group of people, look at it like a thing in itself with the same directive for survival as a person. Government is the same way; we (our government) wants to democrasize the world, we want our gang to rule.
It used to be ok for whitey to kill black people with no risk of sentance, because they were not considered people.
You know, let me say that a different way because I really screwed that one up.
Let's imagine that you Paul and/or I DrIdio are the nation of Islam, or are an institution in general. I, the sum of my parts, am the nation of Dr.Idio. My prime directive is survival of the nation and continuation of that nation. Now, the care and/or interest I have in everyone else goes only so far as the reciprocal benefit I get from it. If the guy next door threatens my well being, I'm gonna take em' out; if someone at work jeopardizes my ability to provide, he's toast. At those moments another’s life no loner matters and is seen as nothing more than standing in the way of the nation and it's directives.
What do Muslims and Christians say, "if your right hand causes you to sin, chop it off", it threatens the values of the system. Chopping off my hand (killing a woman) would seem to be a contradiction and/or danger to the system, unless of course the hand was gangrenous (sinfull).
I'm not really sure that made any sense either.
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